Gems From Heaven
June 16th, 2006 by Carl Thomas.Anyone seen this? And if so, what’s your take on it?
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Hi everyone,
I am very excited right now. We are in an intense season of signs and wonders. Dennis Cramer prophesied that June, July, and August would be a time of unprecedented, unparalleled and unmatched miracles. We are already seeing them. (To read Dennis Cramer’s Prophecy click HERE).
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A good friend of mine was in a meeting approximately 18 months ago where feathers manifested and fell. They just “materialised” above people’s heads. There was no prankster in the roof of the building with an old pillow!
(Psalms 91:4)
He will cover you with his feathers, and under his wings you will find refuge; his faithfulness will be your shield and rampart.
So. Yes. I believe it. I appreciate that it will freak some people out. I guess it will cause some to claim a deception by the enemy. But that is to give the enemy more ability and liberty than God! I don’t find it strange at all that God wants to tangibly demonstrate His love towards us. But I do find it sad when otherwise Godly people hold their theology in higher regard than God himself.
However, I have also heard of people who have tried to counterfeit this kind f thing. I heard of someone who placed gold glitter in their Bible and claimed God was manifesting heavenly gold dust. Holy Spirit exposed their deception. I believe that God will not allow this. Remember Ananias and Sapphira? (Acts 5) Sobering thought.
I was not questioning if it is possible for it to me God or if it is a fake. I have heard of feathers but I have not seen them. I have seen lots and lots of gold. I wonder what the signifigance of this is. Here is a little bit of followup.
http://tinyurl.com/p27r4
I figured you’d be cool with it. But it was such an open-ended question …
I can’t claim to have specific prophetic insight into this specific instance. I’ve not even watched the vids. Maybe God will give me some insight if I take time to watch the vids?
But I do feel that God is saying He wants people to understand the tremendous treasures in the heavenly places and for the church to start to believe that those treasures are available into the earthly realm right now for the sake of His kingdom. Our treasures are in heaven, and we have every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, but they are to be enjoyed and shared from right now and into all eternity. They are not stored up for after we depart the earth (I know that superficially that may seem to fly in the face of some conventional teaching, but I think the context is different - i.e. it doesn’t disagree).
I think God is trying to get our attention on this subject. The church needs to believe that heavenly blessing can be in the earth right now: in much the same way that God wants intimate relationship with us right now and not at the end of our earthly lives as some presuppose when they read that Jesus ascended into heaven. Gold, gem stones, and even feathers, may seem frivolous (I don’t believe they are - I believe they have prophetic significance) but the message I think God wants us to receive is to start really believing for heaven touching earth, not just a nice sentiment in a nice song, i.e. for the true treasures, the blessings, of heaven, not just the symbols.
I’d love to hear what you feel the prophetic significance is of the gold (dust?) you’ve experienced. I think I will watch those vids sometime soon and see if Patricia shares the prophetic significance of gem stones (e.g. are they from the throne room?)
This is happening at my church in Coeur d Alene, Idaho. It is real, and at least in part, speaks of us as believers being God’s gems, (his treasured posession).
Sincerely
Greg
Greg - That’s amazing. Please pray that I would see the same.
If you would like to see it, then go to where it is happening. Just remember that the signs are just that, signs. They point to Jesus, and are not an end unto themselves.
Greg - I would love to but Coeur d Alene, Idaho is 3,035 miles from my house. That would be quite the road trip.
And I agree, signs are just that. I would like to see those signs right here (or there). But signs are generally a confirmation of something else.
Like my wife says, “I want everything God has available for me.”
Carl
Could not have said it better myself. The gold dust and jewels and whatever else God chooses to do are signs and manifestations of what is occurring at a deeper level already and pre-existently to the signs in many cases.
Sorry it is so far to Coeur d alene for you. I am quite sure, however, that if you look into the Elijah List, you will find places closer to where you are that are experiencing the Glory as well.
Blessings
Greg
I am in the Glory. I just want to experience what you are. I want it all!
If you are interested in this story check the follow link for more information on these gemstones.
http://reallybigcompany.com/papers/gemstones_idaho/
@dave
It’s good to test. But I don’t see anything on that page that brings up new material other than the gemologist you talked to never heard of an acid test.
Are you pentecostal? What is your angle in all this?
I think there are several points:
1. There is resistance to submit the Gemstones to a Gemologist Lab for identification. Gemstones are identified by cataloging the physical properties of the stone: Specific Gravity, Refraction Index, Thermal Conductivity, etc.. These are easy (for a lab) to measure. This first and simple step has not been done.
2. You can buy identical looking stones on Ebay at low cost.
I don’t have an angle. I am seeking the truth. My faith is that nothing good can come from fraud regardless of good intentions. .
I don’t have an angle. I am seeking the truth. I do not believe that any good can come from fraud regardless of the intentions.
The fact that they have not submitted the gems only proves that they have not submitted the gems. You can’t begin to extrapolate sin from the absence of a desire to disprove nay sayers. They may not care what your opinion of them is. That really drives some people crazy but that could be the case.
I am guessing that you have not actually seen the gems, only through videos on the internet. Since this event, a lady that is on an email list that I subscribe to got a much smaller, but similar gem.
And I saw a report of another man in the middle of a church service that watched an angel walk in and hand the gem to a guy down the row to him. He was suprised because he thought the angel was going to give it to him. The man cam over and gave him the gem and said, “I think I am supposed to give this to you.”
Have you ever seen an unexplainable miracle? Do you pray in tongues?
“Test all things and hold fast to that which is good”
1 Thessalonians 5:21
I am testing and not finding anything to validate this other than personal testimony.
“I am guessing that you have not actually seen the gems, only through videos on the internet.”
No. But I have talked to someone that has seen the Gemstones. She has also seen the Gemstones I bought on Ebay and remarked that they are indeed similar.
The stones one Ebay are similar size and clarity. I have offered to drop of Ebay Gemstones for their own evaluation. I have also offered to pay for a gemologist report.
Dave
What do you think testing would prove or disprove? Has anyone claimed that the gemstones are actually validated, known types of gems? It appears to me that it does not matter what kind of matter thay are made up of. And as far as letting you have one to get tests run on it, put yourself in their position. Would you allow a total stranger to take one, and possibly not return with it? Would you even allow it out of your sight with a stranger? I don’t think so. Relax Dave. If you want the truth, go to the source and stop relying on e-mail.
“What do you think testing would prove or disprove?”
So you disagree with Thessalonians? Because it would not prove or disprove anything.
If these gemstones are identical to those that can be bought off Ebay don’t think you might be a little skeptical.
“And as far as letting you have one to get tests run on it, put yourself in their position. Would you allow a total stranger to take one, and possibly not return with it?”
Please read carefully! I offered to drop one of my stones I bought on Ebay so that they could compare with the stone they have.
Back in 1999 “Charisma” magazine, hardly a biased source, investigated the gold dust phenomenon. The had sample tested by the US geological Survey and deemed them to be plastic glitter. Do your own research.
@Dave
Couple thoughts here. First of all, you implied that if someone dodges being tested then that is reason not to be trusted.
I asked you three questions that you have yet to answer
1 Are you Pentecostal?
2 Have you seen a miracle that could not be explained?
3 Do you pray in tongues?
Perhaps you felt that if you answered these questions in the negative, we would be less likely to entertain your accusations.
Thess does say to test all things but I doubt they were referring to a gemologist.
And the gold dust being plastic? You are probably going to lose most credibility on that one. I have seen people get covered in gold dust during worship. Nobody put it there. I have seen people get it all in their hair till it covered their shirts. I saw a 9 year old girl get it so thick that there were shavings in her seat. What Greg was saying was it does not matter what it is. Man did not do it. It was supernatural.
We don’t care if it is gold, plastic, or ice. We aren’t trying to sell it. We are in wonder of what happened. Why do you think they call it a wonder?
Stick around this blog for a little. You may begin to experience the supernatural in your life.
I think what needs to be understood / discerned / tested, is not WHAT is it? but rather HOW did it get there? and WHERE did it come from?
I was at a meeting recently where some kind of very fine, gold-coloured, shiny, dust started to appear in the palms of my hands during worship. I could see it simply “materialising”. I asked a few people near me to take a look and confirm that I wasn’t imagining it or was mis-interpreting something more mundane such as beads of sweat glistening in the lighting. They all felt as I did that it was something supernatural. A number of other people in the meeting had the same experience.
It is a GOOD thing that we test things soberly. There have been counterfeits, and there will continue to be counterfeits. But it is NOT good if we set out with a closed mind that has pre-purposed to discredit what God may be doing.
The Bereans are well-noted in Acts 17:11 for “they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so” - not the converse “examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things could be discredited”. My heart needs to be open to God saying “Wow! IS THIS truly you Lord? Would YOU confirm or deny this for me?”
The ONLY test is to bring the account before the Lord with an open heart. “If this really happened, and it was really you Lord, then would you give me insight and faith?”. Where there have been counterfeits, He doesn’t need us to stand His corner for Him. But where there is no counterfeit, we do need to be open to whatever He may really be wanting to do right now. If our relationship with Him is tight, then as we inquire of Him, we will get a confident witness in our own spirit about the truth or falsehood of these things.
Dave
As Mark said, the point is not what the “gemstones” or “gold dust” are actually comprised of, what matters is where they came from. If God chose to throw down a neck brace into the midst of a church in order to tell them that they are stiff-necked, would the fact that you can buy a neck brace on ebay make the whole event null and void?
A healthy scepticism is a good thing. A scepticism that finds it’s roots in past experiences and hurts however, (whether your own or others), is not going to be balanced. Had you asked me 10 years ago if God would make gemstones appear in the midst of a worship service, or outside of someone’s home, I would have had some serious doubts. I had never seen it before, I cannot recall anything like that happening in the bible.
If you had asked me 20 years ago if God would fill someone’s teeth with a gold colored substance, or a silver colored substance, I would have been very sceptical, as I had not seen that in the bible either.
Since then I have realized that I had been putting limitations on what God could and could not do in my own life. It wasn’t until I realized that God wanted to do the miraculous in my own life, and I started to ask the Lord for the miraculous, did it start to occur. I have seen people healed in front of my eyes by the power of God of a variety of things. I have also seen people healed of diseases by going to the doctor (medical form of ebay). This does not make what God does illegitimate.
I am on a journey, just like you are. In that journey I have seen quite a bit, and not all has been good. But not all has been bad either. I have come to the place in my walk that if God chooses to do something out of the “ordinary”, I ask Him what He is trying to say to me through it, (neck brace example here).
One last thing. I overheard a conversation where a woman was not at all happy with a church she visited because they used an overhead projector for songs, and not a hymnal. To her it wasn’t right to use an overhead projector because she was comfortable with hymnals. Show me where in the bible it mentions either, yet God uses both. Let’s not limit what God can do, yet retain a healthy scepticism as the bereans did.
Greg
i saw one of the gemstones…
I had been listening to Patricia King’s teaching on the River, and she talked about gemstones, gold dust and manna and I have been reading a lot about it. Last night while I was spending time with the Lord I beginning thinking about the gemstones, the manna, and gold dust. I said Lord, I want to know if it is real. No, I didn’t get any gold dust or a gemstone last night, but later on that night I was looking up the word “rivers” in my concordance, and went to Job 28. When I began to read the whole chapter I was amazed that it spoke of gold dust, bread, and gems! I am asking the Lord for revelation of what He is saying to me in this scripture, but it was confirmation to me that these are signs and wonders from the Lord and I cannot wait to actually see gemstones or gold dust, or however the Lord wants to manifest His glory!!
I’d like to encourage everyone to stop running to where “the glory” is. The “glory” is all around you - God wants to do what we deem as incredible right where you are. Run to Him, not to another glory appearance.
I love it when the Lord moves in ways that bless His people; however we DO need to “test” signs and wonders. I’m not speaking of a “test” in the literal sense, but we need to examine WHERE or WHO the “sign” and “wonder” points to. I have no idea why God would sprinkle gold dust on people, drops gems from heaven, etc. I am more concerned that signs tend to stir people up to want more and more “signs”…is that what God has called us to? And let us not forget that the Antichrist will “Come with all lying signs and wonders..” Of course, I’m not drawing a correlation between the gemstones and the Antichrist, I’m saying we need to be careful who is getting the glory here. I’ve never known God to do spurious *fancy* stuff just for the sake of doing it..however I DO know that the enemy loves to do exactly that — I have experienced such things myself. If we are given signs and wonders, and our relationship and love for God is not growing and deepening as a result, then I would say that’s a pretty good indication of where those signs are coming from. Just my .02.
@Steven - I see what you are saying, however I am not sure it is biblical. By your test the manna, the divided waters, the water from the rock, the deliverance from Egypt might have been false signs since out of the millions who saw it, only two grew to maturity.
Carl had asked “Dave” (a previous poster who was skeptical of the gem experience if
#1 Was he Pentecostal?
#2 Had he seen a miracle that could not be explained?
#3 Does he pray in tongues?
I can answer ALL of these three strongly in the affirmative. I am married to a strongly prophetic wife and am a strong believer in the gifts of the Spirit. I have been to charismatic conferences hosted by Mike Bickle, Peter Wagner, Rick Joyner, Chuck Pierce, and John and Paula Sanford. All people that I respect and learn from. I must admit however, that even I am a little skeptical of the resistance of people to test the stones. If these stones/gems are identical to the man made gems on ebay, AND the gold dust that is “falling” is simply dime store glitter–why not just examine this issue instead of avoiding it? Why is there a resistance to question any experience that even smacks of the supernatural? I want to see the miraculous as much as anyone–but I ONLY want the authentic. If this stuff is fake–then lets admit it. If the stones are cubic zirconias, does that in anyway diminish God or the work of the Holy Spirit? Absolutely not! It would however beg to ask the question what was the purpose? I am excited about God healing the sick and raising the dead (which I strongly believe in). But we need to test these experiences and not just accept every new manifestation without question–for fear of being labeled as a person that lacks the faith to see what God is doing. We also need to learn to question leaders whose moral lives don’t line up with scriptural guidelines (regardless of what new manifestation that they are experiencing). Why are a lot of charismatic believers afraid to examine things according to scripture –instead of simply walking blindly?
-Kevin
Kev,
Can you show me anything in Scripture that would support gemological testing? The Bible says test the spirit. Jesus told people who got healed to go to the but the priests were authorities in both civil and religious matters and lepers could not do certain things unless they were cleared.
That being said you are somewhat incorrect in your statements. I have now read of, heard, and spoken to people who have received gemstones. I have read reports from several people in different states who saw gemstones appearing in public meetings. This is not some guy in the middle of nowhere making statements. No rational person can now debate if the phenomenon is happening. It is. The only question is where is it coming from.
I have communicated with people who have taken gems to gemologists who could not identify the gems. What does that prove?
Here in lies the problem. What if these stones can not be identified? What does that prove? What if they are genuine diamonds? Does that mean God did it? Would God be able to create a cubic zarconia?
Carl asked me…”Kev, Can you show me anything in Scripture that would support gemological testing?”
My answer - there was no such thing as gemological testing in biblical times. What you have presented is called “an argument by silence”. You cannot logically disprove an idea by what the Bible doesn’t say. Carl, can you show me anywhere in scripture that it speaks against gemological testing?
Carl asked me…”What if these stones can not be identified? What does that prove?
My answer - If these are inspected by experts in the field–it would grant a TON of credibility to the fact that they are authentic–and not another hoax or con job. It would also shut up any critics. Example, if these don’t come from God–where did they come from? If they can’t be identified, who could answer that question?
Carl asked me…”Would God be able to create a cubic zarconia?”
I’m sure that God can create anything–even a “man made” stone. If they are cubic zirconias however–please lets stop referring to them as heavenly gems (as if God is dropping $10,000 gems on people’s heads on a regular basis).
What I really question is the resistance of many charismatics to even think of questioning ANY phenomena. Whether its shaking, roaring, barking, birth pains, or glitter and gemstones. If the gold dust turns out (upon examination) to be plastic glitter–lets stop calling it “gold dust”. Quite simply, it is not. To continue to posture as if 24K gold is falling on people is rather insincere at best. Would it be less of a spiritual experience for the people involved if confetti was falling on them? Or glitter? I always used to get frusterated when I heard Roman Catholics speak of making a pilgrimage to llourdes to see a statue of Jesus weep or bleed. I am incredulous when I hear of someone who is traveling to see a slice of bread or pizza with the image of Christ (or the virgin Mary). I almost feel like the charismatic movement as a whole risks being perceived in this same way however. Why embellish on what is actually happening? In my opinion, this is the kind of thing that leads people to question the authenticity of any move of the Holy Spirit. I have seen God heal the sick on multiple occasions. I have seen the power of Jesus free people from the bondage of demonization as well. Let’s stop looking for new experiences and get back the the old standards like holiness and purity. If God wants to spill some gold dust OR simply some glitter on me in the process–thats OK.
I have a question. The man from CDA ID who is on patricia kings video says the angel is a woman. I thought Angels are men. I can’t find angels that are female anywhere. Also, when I went searching for the truth I read about the beautiful woman symbolizing Babylon adorned in gold and precious gems. She looks beautiful and loves to embrace the people of the earth but she’s evil. I am not in any way trying to discredit. Just wanted to know your thoughts.
RevKev - I guess the difference between you and me is that I don’t care how people perceive what God is doing. I have never once had God ask me if it is ok for Him to manifest His presence any way He wanted.
I think the fact that you bring up shaking as a “charismatic” excess is really telling. That has been a manifestation that God has used to offend the religious since Jonathan Edwards’ meetings.
I am trying to insult you. I am saying that it seems that it is not the Charismatics that have the problem with signs.
@tmj I find it disturbing that in your search for truth you went somewhere other than the Bible. Did Jesus tell you about this Babylonian woman? Where is it that you find truth? You may want to take this to the Lord.
@Billy - It is sad that you do not understand the teachings of Jesus. No doubt you feel you are a Christian and think you are quoting the Scriptures but you have been deceived by the Devil. Jesus said that there would be no other sign that He is Lord. He said those that believe would have signs following them. Do you believe? Or do you preach some other doctrine?
On this blog we give no room for Biblical liberals who say whole chapters of the Bible are not valid.
Seek the truth brother. You will find that Jesus is alive and that when He sent His Spirit on Pentecost He never took Him back.
Carl read rev 17. I think I did go to the WORD. Anyway, what I was looking for a response about that no one has answered yet is……there is no where as far as I have researched, mention of angels in female form.
@tmj - I think that just because the Bible does not address female angels does not conclusively determine that angels only appear as male. I do not believe that God and His creation has been exhaustively chronicled in the Scriptures. If there is a place in Scripture that states that God created angelic beings only in the appearance of men then I would believe that. But to say that f a person thinks that the angel they saw was a woman must have been deceived by the devil is stretching it.
Seeing angels is not that big of a deal to me. I see them all the time. Maybe this is a really troubling thing to you. I find that when a person first begins to see spiritual beings they have trouble understanding what they see. Maybe they saw a beautiful face and golden hair and assumed it was a woman. I don’t know. Don’t really care. Doesnt affect me either way.
@RevKev - My thing is, “who cares what they are made of?” And I mean that rhetorically. There is no doubt that these are manifesting in meetings. That cannot be logically debated any longer. They are being manifested for Christians. That cannot be debated. It comes down to faith in God. Some believe that the devil would be able to manifest creative power in pentecostal church meetings without at least a few people discerning the evil presence and warring against it in the meetings. That people with confirmed prophetic ministries who claim they visibly saw the angels bringing gems and placing them in people’s hands could all be deceived at the same time, and people who have nothing to do with these ministries know better about what is going on than the leaders in the local church.
God has not abandoned the Church. The Holy Ghost is not that weak. The Church is not that defeated. The devil is not that powerful.
So whether it is colored glass, diamonds, or other worldly making, I do not care. I think they are neat. I don’t worship them, nor am I scarred of them. That is basically my position.
@Billy - If you read my post you will see I said you are no doubt a Christian. But the fact remains that the first day you posted comments to my blog you posted a half dozen comments disparaging ministries, people, and me. Please stop.
I am now shutting comments on this thread. If you have something you think ads to the discussion please use the contact form and I will post it.