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Railing Against the Prophetic Again

One of my disciples asked me the other day about a “national prophet” that had given a specific prophecy regarding a rapper that did not come to pass.  He questioned how this national prophet could have been so wrong.

I restated the question asking how people who are wrong so often are regarded as national prophets.  The prophetic ministry in America has a serious lack of oversight and accountability.   I have remarked in the past about the abundance of homosexual sin in the prophetic movement and I truly believe there is a link here.

I personally know less than a handful of people that I would consider prophets.  I see lots of people who consider themselves prophets but I think the fruit does not bear witness.  If we are going to be a New Testament church, we have to use the New Testament as the measuring stick.

Paul wrote in his letter to the Ephesians that the five-fold ministry was for the equipping of the saints for the work of the ministry.  For too long we call people who prophesy real good prophets.  I do not believe that is the case.  You can have a deep and strong gift of prophecy without being in the office of prophet.   And just because you can’t tell who is calling without looking at the caller id and you don’t see the voice of the Lord in ever headline out of Jerusalem does not mean you are not a prophet.

I take the call of the prophet to come from Jeremiah 1:10

See, I have set you this day over nations and over kingdoms,
to pluck up and to break down,
to destroy and to overthrow,
to build and to plant.”

And I think that this is the test of a prophetic ministry.  IT would seem that the test of a prophetic ministry these days lies in the ability  to tell the head of a church you are visiting how much God favors your church over the one down the street and how special that pastor is.

Do prophets prophecy?  Of course they do.  Does a person in the office of prophet get it wrong now and then?  Of course they do.  Not every pastor give the perfect counsel every time.  Sometimes the evangelist gets it wrong when witnessing.  Sometimes the teacher doesn’t fully understand a scripture.

But the pastor is held accountable for bad counsel.   The teacher is held accountable for false teaching.  The evangelist is held accountable for bad doctrine.  So too the church must not be so enamored with the prophetic to keep from demanding accountability for those who minister the “Word of the Lord.”

Prophets, by the nature of their call, should be more open to confrontational accountability and should demand more from the Church then we are seeing.

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The Toronto Outpouring - My Experience

I have told this story lots of times but have never set it to paper.

When I got saved, I really got saved. I was in my late 20s and had live a pretty wicked life. I had gotten out of the military a few years earlier and was in college. I went into a Charismatic church, got set free from the devil, and never looked back.

Within a year I was part of a rogue deliverance/healing ministry and saw all kinds of signs and wonders. We prayed for people all over the place and saw miracles in pizza places, hospitals, living rooms, and anywhere else you find people. I distinctly remember casting the devil out of a homeless man in the doorway to Winn Dixie before buying Swiss Cake Rolls to break a fast. (Oh the college years)

Within two years of getting free I was part of church plant team sent to south Florida. I was beginning to move in the prophetic in general and had a pretty keen word of knowledge. The church I helped plant was not a very healthy one but I was young in the Lord and I did not know any better. There was lots of judgment. I thought that was part of leadership. Maybe the leaders need to know the struggles of the people but this was something else. The church leadership I was a part of would gossip about people. If anyone left the church, all their dirty secrets would be laundered in an effort to discredit them and their criticism of the church.

Because of my critical spirit, almost all the prophetic words I got were filled with judgment. I spoke lots of words about repentance, sin issues, pride and rebellion.

As time went on our church became friendly with a man who lived in town who had spoken at Toronto. My pastor went there and got really blown away. Though he was not completely sold on what was going on, he knew God was in it somehow.

Several months later, Jeremy & Connie Sinnott, who were worship leaders at Toronto, were coming to a church in South Florida for what was billed as a worship conference. The congregation was odd to me but the presence of God was there and so I worshiped. On the second day of the conference, Jeremy and Connie were praying for some people so I was waiting for Jeremy (because I was a man and only men could minister to me). Eventually someone said to me that I should have Connie pray for me because she has a real anointing.

I went to her and she ministered to me what I now know to be the Father’s love. She spoke some words, laid hands on my chest, and I literally began to feel hot liquid flow into my heart. I could only cry. When she was done I could not even talk. I told someone that it felt like my heart was being circumcised. Strange indeed.

After that weekend a work of grace began to develop in my life. The hard prophesies began to be softened and I began to flow in a compassion I had never experienced before. When someone came to me for counsel, no longer was my first impression to find a reason to blame them for their problems. Before, no matter what you were going through I could always find a way to make it your fault. That was not the initial response after that.

So this love of God began to swell my heart but I had this problem. I had this word of knowledge that I seemingly could not control. I could look at people and see the sin in their lives. I only had to listen to someone for a minute before I could clearly see all their moral transgressions. This made it almost impossible to have meaningful relationships. All I could see was people’s sins. They would tell me they were fine but I knew better and I wanted to rebuke people so badly.

I now had this issue. I knew the love of God but I was getting all this dirt on people and I was in the leadership of a church that was constantly bringing accusation against everybody. There was no issue that could not be solved with a rebuke.

As an example. When my son was born he had a slight problem keeping down food that caused him to be hospitalized. It turned out to be minor but they had a hard time diagnosing it and he was quite ill. In the midst of this hard time I went to my pastor and told him that I was having a hard time and that I was being tempted with lust. While my son was dieing in the hospital he said to me,

“You know that this sin is the reason your son is in the hospital right?”

Blech! I have to spit that out every now and then. I cannot believe I thought that was godly counsel. (If that man is reading this please repent. If you go to his church, RUN!)

So I had this revelation of the love of God in conflict with what I was receiving and how I saw Him ministered. In the midst of this conflict, I took a pilgrimage to Toronto.

At first, I was really disappointed. The services were quite tame. The ushers did not let people remain in the isles during the preaching and most extravagant behavior was stopped. This was not the kennel I was told it would be.

There were lots of great sessions with great speakers but as I look back God did two things. The first was I got a revelation that I am exactly how God created me to be (this is a major post in itself so I won’t go into it). The second was almost as impactful as my time with the Sinnots.

In the middle of one session John Sanford said, “Just because you have access to the spirit realm does not mean you can go snooping around in everybody’s life. If they have not asked for your ministry, stay out of their business.” This is not a direct quote but pretty close. John then talked about how you can read people by staring at them long enough and how people today call that prophesy but it is not. It is soulish and does not glorify God. His wife Paula talked about walking into a room and picking up the burdens of every person in the room and that she had to learn to not allow that to happen. She had to reject that natural reaction.

This was revelation to me! Just as the ministry of the Sinnots revolutionized my relationship with God, this one little teaching revolutionized my ministry. After that time, when I would start getting accusations against a person I would have to tell myself that I am not going there.

God began to use me in genuine prophetic revelation. That is revelation minus the anger. Since the church could not bring accusation against me regarding my personality they began to tell me that I did not have a prophetic gift and that I was an evangelist so I should only bring prophetic words to the lost. And it just got goofier from there. Eventually the God I knew conflicted with the church I was attending and it was time to go (can you say deliverance?).

In the past few years I have had people tell me that I am one of the nicest people that they know. And I have people call me saying that I always have a word of encouragement. This is a miracle! I was genuinely changed by a few encounters. Now I have read books by lots of the people in this movement and have listened to lots of teaching series and watched lots of conferences online but these two moments were landmarks in my walk.

So when I hear people say that Toronto was a counterfeit move or that it was really the devil I quietly pray that the Lord forgives them. It really is a frightful thing to call the Holy Ghost a demon. Not an area that I would tread.

Were there things in Toronto that were off? Aren’t there in your church? Aren’t there in your ministry? Could you testify that every single person that has ever heard your teaching will respond in a biblically sound manor will produce good fruit? If your church sees a couple hundred people a year how many of them are fruitcakes that you could not help or would not be helped? Imagine if that number was a half million that came through. Give a little grace.

In the end, I know that God was in that place. They have since ended the nightly meetings and the crowds have disbanded but there are congregations all over the world that were birthed in a move of the Father’s love the same way I was.

update:  this post was in response to a post by Michael at Charismatica.

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5 Things I “Dig” About Jesus

I have been tagged by my friend Mark to share 5 things I really dig about Jesus. This is actually my first meme so I got a little excited. Then I began to think about Jesus and I got even more excited.

Here is my list. It is definitely not all conclusive:

1. He is not of this realm. Though He did come here, He did not stay here and wants to take us where He is. Gal 1:3-4

2. He is focused on things I cannot even see yet. I was praying about my broken washing machine the other day and Jesus showed me a vision of a church I will preach in one day … in London. (thats about 4500 miles / 7100 km away) Truly my thoughts are not His thoughts.

3. When Jesus says He is coming to an event, He shows up. Every single word of knowledge I have had in conjunction with preaching has been fulfilled. I got two words of knowledge for my meeting last night a week ago. I pronounced them and Jesus came and healed.

4. He is always wanting to meet new people. I cannot tell you how many people I have laid hands on who have had a vision of Jesus. He almost always embraces them. That’s really really cool!

5. He is absolutely on fire for the Father’s business. I don’t have any lost friends. I don’t have any lukewarm friends. All my friends are focused on the Gospel and on fire for God. But Jesus stands out from all of them. He has more revelation to share, more testimonies to give, more prophesies to proclaim, more exhortation to declare, more fire to impart than anyone I have ever met by a long shot. Hanging out with Him is more fulfilling than with anyone else. When my friends get together we preach to each other all night each building upon what the other said. With Jesus, you speak once, then spend the rest of the conversation trying to get your mind around what He says in return.

Ok, I stretched that last one a bit but I only had 5 remember?

So now I am supposed to tag 5 others so here we go:

David - Sure to be something firey.
Michael - Sure to be something well thought out and doctrinally sound with that Vineyard flair.
Chet - Can you say graphics?
Rich - If he completes it, (remember that imminent” post on Ted Haggard back in November of last year?) it will be in several months and contain thousands of words. Some pro-gay group will surely comment on it and tell how Carlton Pearson is the greatest man since Moses.
slw -  Don’t ask. I have no idea what slw stands for.

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Report from a Todd Bentley Meeting

Last night I took a fellow minister friend of mine and a handful of students to see Todd Bentley for a one night impartation service. My friend did not know Todd and was not familiar with his ministry. I told him, “If there is anything religious in you it will be offended.” Todd is out there no doubt. But the point of this is not to talk about that. It is just about the meeting.

It took us about three and a half hours to get to Ignighted Church in Lakeland, the host church. Man do they have a nice facility! We got there right before the doors opened and got the entire front row on one side.

If you have ever been to a Holy Ghost / Charasmatic meeting they are pretty much the same. The anointing may be different and God may do something different but they are all marked by free worship, preaching with a prophetic edge and a demonstration of the power of God.

The worship was great and really free. The ended the set with a song the worship leader wrote that I must get a copy of. The lyrics were something like

I believe in miracles
I believe in wonder
I believe all things are possible for God

or something like that. It was really good though.

Then Todd came up and did 20 minutes of healing miracles from the past couple days followed by praying for the crowd en mass. One thing of note. You can always tell the maturity of a church’s ministry team by how they handle the oppressed. A woman ran to the front during the healing call basically losing her mind. After about 15 minutes she began to seriously manifest - you had the shrieking, screaming, growling thing begin to happen. Todd asked for the church’s deliverance ministry to come and minister to her. They did not freak out. A bunch of burly guys did not wisk her to a back room. A couple older ladies and a man came and ministered deliverance to her. No yelling, no grandstanding. They just did it.

Church did not stop. Todd never stopped preaching.

There were lots of healing testimonies. After that he preached on the recovery of all things. If you follow his ministry you know that this is a common theme in Todd Bentley meetings. After that he said he was going to pray for everyone in the room. And this is where it got exciting.

We all lined up all over the church, in the halls, in the overflow room, in the kids ministry. Todd went down the line and anyone who did not look affected, they got prayer from one of his assistants. When he got to me, I bent over. I really felt the presence of God. Right then his assistant came and began to pound on my back and yell “Bamm! Bamm! Bamm!” with each thump. I think he was yelling. It may have just been the noise of him thumping me.

Either way, I went to the ground and felt the strong presence of the Lord. I was going to stay on the ground but I said, “I did not drive almost eight hours round trip for that.” So I got up and got in line somewhere else. A disciple of mine followed.

Todd came by and it was much the same. I was laying on the ground and said again, “I did not drive almost eight hours round trip for that.” So I got up again. This time to the children’s church room where there were maybe a hundred people singing and worshiping in the tell-tale lines. I lined up at the end of a row with my disciple at the end of the row behind me. I was desperate for a touch from God and was almost worried that I would go home empty.

Todd was walking the rows doing the “touch, touch” thing. When he got to me at the end of the row I put my hands out in front of me in kind of a “hold on” motion. I said, “I need an impartation.” in an almost desperate voice.

Right at that moment, he began to manifest the Holy Ghost. He began to shake wildly and started yelling. Right then the anointing hit me like a bolt of lightning and I began to scream WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! (You know what I am talking about) And so I was shaking and screaming, and he was shaking and screaming and I thought to myself in a surreal moment, “Todd Bentley and I are screaming at each other.” Except he was screaming in some sort of prophetic impartation, put the anointing on him Lord, kind of way and I was screaming in an Oh My God I may explode at any minute kind of way.

Todd touched my body and I staggered forward. He touched me again and I fell on my face. literally. Then instantly I began to scream from the unbelievable touch I was receiving. As I writhed on the ground I turned almost completely behind be. I wanted to see if my disciple got touched when I saw something I had never seen in my life. I tell lots and lots of stories about things I have seen in Holy Ghost meetings and thought I had seen it all. I hadn’t.

My student said that when Todd and I were yelling he said to God, “I want something like that.” He had no idea.

I looked over at my disciple and I see his feet about a foot off the ground. I thought to myself, “That’s something new.” I managed to look up and Todd had him in a bear hug…lifted a foot off of the ground…and yelling. After a few seconds he dropped him and moved on the line. He hit the ground like a sack of potatoes. We both resumed laying on the ground yelling.

A few moments later I saw his ministry assistant walk by and say, “That’s what he does when he puts his gifting on someone else.” pointing to my friend. Cool stuff. I was unable to walk for a while and did not drive till after we ate at the pizza hut across the street. Who knows what the waitress thought of the Holy Ghost manifesting men at the table that night.

update: I just found the Senior Pastor’s recollection of the night here. Pastor, if you ever see this, you have a really nice church. I love the flags!

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A Portal in the Heavenlies

This may be my one and only video blog thingy. It is about an open vision that I received.

Please remember that my comment policy is still in effect which basically says that I will not argue with people in my comment section. If you think I am totally wacked out, then remove me from your blogroll and move on.

All others, watch and be blessed!

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Youth Service Engulfed by Angelic Activity

Of the ten people who read this blog and leave comments, nine have greater ministries than I do. I of course am the tenth reader. Because of this, I have not written about the things I see in ministry that are supposed to be part of the average Christian life.

I have been convicted about that and will write more about the mundane things that I see regarding healings, visions, dreams, tongues and interpretation, angelic encounters and all things prophetic.

Some day someone may google, “Youth service engulfed by angelic activity” wanting to know if that has happened to anyone else and if I don’t write about it, who will?

So here is the first.

I had a word of knowledge in the middle of my friday night meeting that the Lord was releasing angels in the room. After the meeting a guy got off the floor and told me that right as I was saying that he saw a flood of angels. Right after that the room kind of exploded. It was as if the youth service was engulfed in angelic activity.

Great meeting.

btw. . . I also do search engine marketing and I can’t wait to see how long it will take to get this post to number one in google for “Youth service engulfed by angelic activity.”

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What Faith is Not

I was in a church service recently and the person at the pulpit relayed a “prophesy” he had heard. There was a local boy who had gone into anaphylactic shock after eating chicken nuggets the day before. The manufacturer had since recalled the nugget because it contained gluten, which this child was allergic to. The boy had oxygen deprivation for a while and had some brain damage. A minister went to visit the boy and opened his bible and landed on a healing verse int he psalms. He felt this was a sign and declared boldly that God would raise the boy. Praise God.

The prophesy was declared from the pulpit the next morning by another minister. God was credited as having said that the boy would live and that it would be a testimony. By the end of that service the boy was dead.

Dan Edean recently wrote a post in his blog (the name of which I cannot spell) about bad christian advise. In talking to my wife about it, we found a common theme. The majority of bad counsel we have received was less bad advise and more correctly presumptuous expectations.

Let me explain.

When I got married we immediately had kids. Our finances were not in order, I had a pretty bad job and my wife made more than me. Our brand of church pretty much required that the wife stay home and take care of the kids. We were told not to worry because God would double my income in response to our faith. I am still waiting for that to happen seven years later.

I was strongly advised to get the first job could after graduation college and that God would raise me up. So, with my military experience, IT background, corporate communications degree under my belt and past leadership roles listed on my resume, I got my first post-college job washing cars. For disclosure sake, I did move up to a sales manager role in that company but quit because the job was awful and compromising.

Could God have doubled my income? Of course! Could he have raised me up to lead that company and turn its ethics around? Of course! But He never told me He would do that. I presumed He would on the advise of others. That is not faith.

The valuable thing that I learned through lots of bad advise is this, faith is not the absence of logic. It is, perhaps, the presence of an assurance in the face of logic. Aside from that assurance you only have presumption. And presumption don’t pay the bills!

Hebrews 11:1 (Listen)

11:1 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

That evidence is what was once called assurance and it is missing in too much of what the church is doing today.

Surely that minister at the side of that child’s bed wanted to believe that God would raise that boy. But guess what, God never said He would. If He did, then the boy would not have been buried yesterday.

We do the church harm when we cannot discern faith from presumption. This is the reason many mock the pentecostal movement. Real faith is sometimes saying, “I don’t know.”

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Homosexuality and the Prophetic

I may be way off base here but I have to ask.

What is the connection between homosexuality and the prophetic?

Besides the “outing” of the senior prophetic minister last year, I know of more than one prophetic minister that I swear is gay.   I do not know of any sexual immorality or I would have called them out by name.  But the overtly effeminate speech and dress coupled with the manorisms and hair styles are too much for me.

There was a time that I thought the problem was me.  I would see something and rebuke myself for thinking a certain way.  Now I am just calling out the obvious.  I get creeped out when I hear them teach or see them sache’ across the platform.

I am not hateful.  I am not a homophobe.  I have sin just like the next guy.  But I see this pattern and I am trying to figure it out.

Has anyone else seen this?  And why is this happening?

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